s0rce • 3 yr. I wore it all the time. Four-season waterproof, durable, and versatile bivy choice for adventurers looking for a little something extra out of their shelter. For example, Neoshell, wonderful stuff, basically impossible to get now. Keep up the good work!! Reply. Outdoor Research have used AscentShell, a three-layer fabric with a 20 denier face. It became an immediate success and, to this day, is used by a number of the world’s leading outdoor. The interstellar is probably more waterproof and more breathable. But they aren't robust in the same way. OR describes an “electrospun membrane” to be what makes this fabric stand out from the WPB pack. Previously, I have tested several OR AscentShell jackets and bibs. The rumour is Ascentshell is Neoshell relicensed so it should also be excellent. The only way you're going to get superior breathability is by looking into air permeable membranes such as OR's AscentShell (Interstellar, Guardian), Polartec NeoShell (Westcomb Shift LT), MHW's Dry. Out of all of these, I’d go OR Guardian 2. In Arc'teryx's terminology, the Alpha line is climbing and alpinism focused; this. vs 27. GTX Pro is another category all together. Appears schoeller has a electrospun pu membrane as well. Gore-Tex Pro is the fabric of choice for high-quality rain jackets – for example the high-performance Arcteryx Beta AR jacket. Westcomb Apoc (Polartec NeoShell) OR Interstellar (AscentShell 3L) Stoic Vaporshell (I have no idea) Rather than typing it all again, here are a couple of posts I made awhile ago that describe some of these membranes and how they work. You are probably right about comparing to another gore-tex pro jacket, but my understanding is that gore-tex struggles in high humidity warm climates, while newer electrospun pu materials (polartec neoshell, TNF Futurelight, OR Ascentshell, pertex shield air) are almost as waterproof as gore-tex and far more breathable. The North Face Freedom Insulated. This means that the pant is waterproof enough for most days on the ski hill, with taped seams and waterproof zippers. Throw these on over burly hiking boots in a snap with their. Example is the hand pockets are under the hip belt strap. Yes, read your paper and understand there are different MVTR standards and that variables can be manipulated to get different results. Victor Machtel wrote: Comfort. 5 layer) is OK if you can get it really cheap, but it only lasts 3-5 years and only has OK breathability. 29 for. AscentShell 3L waterproof technology delivers excellent rain protection with an electrospun air-permeable membrane that releases excess heat. 25 in. February 23, 2021 by Michael Lanza. The AscentShell™ fabric is breathable, waterproof, and windproof, with fully taped seams to keep the weather out. It is designed to let air out and not let water in. It does this with a structure of tiny holes and is therefore air permeable. 23, MVTR: 3060. For air permeable membranes, this changes somewhat. OR Skytour Ascentshell Jacket ($380) Shop Men’s | Shop Women’s. Also more breathable but less durable. jebrennan. Arc’teryx has used Polartec Powershield Pro in a soft shell that was for the most part waterproof and very air permeable. Polartec ® Neoshell ® is the world's most breathable waterproof fabric technology. The Arc'teryx Alpha FL is one of the most straightforward and best-constructed hardshell jackets that we have ever worn. You want full weather protection with as much breathability as possible for the backcountry. Newb. ago Dressupdown Rain jacket recommendation: OR Motive AscentShell vs OR Microgravity AscentShell They seem to be quite similar with Microgravity having a more. I do plan on using my 8x10 silnylon tarp over it as this will be a winter set up. However, based on real-world testing and that exceptionally high rate of air permeability, I think it’ll be useful for potential consumers to compare AscentShell to products like Polartec Neoshell and eVent. I was wondering if anyone knows if the membrane in AscentShell is hydrophilic like Pertex shield pro or hydrophobic like Polartec Neoshell. I have a Marmot Minimalist I use as an around town rain jacket. • 1 yr. Breathability is the major X factor in all hardshells. 0 feels reassuringly protective, and it certainly did its job of keeping us dry in some pretty fierce conditions up in North Wales. Might as well be wearing a silnylon jacket, and save a lot of weight at the same time. Enter the MicroGravity AscentShell™ Jacket is a dynamic, breathable, waterproof shell for alpine climbing, backcountry skiing, and any adventure above the tree line. 36 Free 2 Day Shipping. With a price tag of $299 and the use of Gore-Tex’s Paclite Plus, the Arc’teryx Zeta SL is an impressive jacket. 75 $229. The result are pants that keep you dry from the inside out, weigh less, and pack down into their own back pocket. The biggest change is the use of Polartec Neoshell instead of EMS’s proprietary System 3 waterproof/breathable fabric. $171. AscentShell 3L waterproof technology delivers excellent rain protection with an electrospun air-permeable membrane that releases excess heat. I currently tend towards the Helium. NeoShell: Another recent major competitor to Gore-Tex, by Polartec. Motive is like Gore PAC lite 2. A jacket membrane technology called AscentShell from Outdoor Research balances waterproof with breathable in a different way: venting via billions of microscopic pores when you sweat. But there are huge differences in prices. I have a lot of use with Neoshell. MicJalbert • 1 yr. The Outdoor Research Skyward II is a burly hardshell jacket made of stretchy AscentShell 3-layer fabric. HI Ben: I have never actually worn an Ascentshell jacket. The magic that TNF is contributing here is likely the method of spinning, the gauge poly filament they are able to spin. In terms of your question about 3L basic vs. 3 billion pores per cm2, each with a diameter of about 1/20,000th of. Feeling good, feeling strong at the start of the FutureLight sweat test. Viewing 9 posts - 1 through 9 (of 9 total) Author. It enhances natural thermoregulation so that you stay dry inside and out. YKK AquaGuard zippers for increased water resistance. 5 cubic-feet per-minute. 9 oz / 536 g, $259) is of interest to alpinists, backpackers, and bikepackers because it is one of the few waterproof-breathable bivy sacks on the market that weigh just over a pound, has a side-entry zipper, and also includes mosquito netting and a headroom-extending pole. NeoShell. Ascentshell, similar to other waterproof but air-permeable fabrics, offers a design where a slight amount of air can pass through the fabric at all times, yet will remain waterproof. But again, despite these minute differences, the fit of each jacket is superb overall. Spent 5 days this winter in the Adirondack High Peaks wearing a Marmot ROM (M2), which sold me on the soft shell for most conditions. They all function in similar ways, and for all extents and purposes are the same. They should at least do the test with. Home › Forums › Gear Forums › Gear (General) › eVent vs. Ok, if you have made it this far into the article, you know that this is not the most “objective” or “lab tested” review of FutureLight on the web. Both were fantastically waterproof and offered substantial protection from the. Polartec NeoShell vs Gortex Active Shell. REI also makes an eVent bivy and Rab makes several. It performs similarly to both of those products. I have a coupon for 50% at OR. The consistency and durability to be able to. Neoshell, Ascentshell: electrospun PU Edit: The bottom line is assume any house membrane is mono PU until proven otherwise, and. Two powerful technologies fuse into one hard shell that far surpasses the performance of heavier jackets. 95 $ 298. Ascentshell remains a competitor to Gore-Tex, however. If you're that worried about breathability DON'T BUY GORE. The EE Visp is a 3 layer ePTFE laminate (like eVent), and the membrane will likely outlast the lightweight zips and facefabric. 3 CFM, but better water resistance at 20000K vs. So this is maybe an electrospun polyurethane like AscentShell, NeoShell, and FutureLight?Add Skytour AscentShell Jacket - Men's to Compare . It does this with a structure of tiny holes and is therefore air permeable. The RSX NeoShell is Sugoi’s latest top-shelf rain jacket for mountain bikers (there’s also a road version, the RSE, which lacks a hood) and the company is making big claims about this piece of gear. Here is an example. And less money. It's no surprise it won our Best for Weather Resistance Award, with its tightly woven Ascent Shell fabric technology. I had a Neoshell jacket for ~4 years and found the breathability to be amazing. It seems very evident that this technology truly is the next step in WPB. I have a MHW Cyclone too, which is NeoShell, and again it's a nice jacket, a very breathable jacket, but it's not anything like my Beta SV. All in all, we found the AscentShell construction to be. For years the outerwear industry has prioritized excessively high waterproof ratings that sacrifice the breathable performance needed during physical activity. Which for all practical purposes is similar. Yes, WPB isn't what it's sold as, but it's the most common thing to keep one warm in a cold rain, and all the cheap rain jackets aren't very durable either. to €600: goretex pro jackets. If we were to pick one ski pant for anywhere on the mountain, for conditions. The extra layer of fabric on the inside of a 3L shell is much less suceptible to abrasion and wear than the laminate that a 2. AscentShell tech offers waterproofing in a softshell-like package. It enhances natural thermoregulation so that you stay dry inside and out. Baker Storm Jacket and Bibs. 6 ounces | Sizes: S, M, L, XL, XXL, XXXL. 25 $399. I’ll try to get MVTR and hydrostatic head ratings for the materials you’re mentioning. A single front zipper, two zippered. 2 in. Mar 28th. That's why Neoshell and like style membranes work well for aerobic activities vs. I've never noticed a difference in membrane performance. The Arc'teryx Alpha FL is one of the most straightforward and best-constructed hardshell jackets that we have ever worn. 3-layer AscentShell™ laminated construction with full seam-taping offers waterproof/breathable protection. 5 layer membranes like. As far as I am aware, several of them are already discontinued (Montane, Mountain Hardwear). HH is 5000 when new and I believe 2500 after many washes. SELF features the Helium Rain Jacket. Neoshell is strictly a PU membrane (NOT ePTFE) so it can STRETCH! It is also only as waterproof as it needs to be (10,000m2 vs 20,000m2 water column). Mar 28th. com 18th July 2020 What’s the best waterproof fabric? Many outdoor enthusiasts would argue that Gore-Tex Pro, by far the most widely known option out there, offers the most complete package. Rain Jackets and Softshells. Westcomb Shift LT. Size: 82” length x 26” top width x 17” top height. 43,MVTR: 1500. Heading to Iceland for a couple weeks of hiking—including trekking hut to hut, when we’d be committed to hitting the trail every. 25 $299. AscentShell fabric is made for breathability and resistance. Based just on these numbers, the eVent might be the best choice. Save 25%. Price at time of publish: $279. I just bought a replacement FA Sandstone Shield jacket for $149. Hip-high, 3/4-length side zippers make them easy to put on over hiking boots in a snap. I do a lot of backpacking / mountaineering / snowshoeing. Neoshell usually at 10000K. Flag. Now, there are plenty of other rain shells that are lighter, but they are often lacking some of the features. I never had problems with getting wet through the jacket until after many years of use. Bean $349. If you need durability, Gore makes the best stuff. You can feel this wearing an AscentShell jacket in cold temperatures, there is a cool air layer at the inside surface of the jacket. Stuff like Neoshell, Pertex Shield Air, Futurelight, and Ascentshell. com. 18 models Outdoor Research Aspire Trench - Women's. I've heard some of the newer variations based on Polartec's Neoshell are vastly more breathable, but less waterproof. Though I haven’t had a chance to use them in very warm spring temps, from 40°F and below, the Lyngen Hybrid Pants have. ) Additionally, the Helium AscentShell balls up small. Very Warm Alternative. Westcomb Shift LT Hoody. Anywhere from €150: jack wolfskin texapore membrane, no brand 20000mm water column,. It’s very similar to the electrospun membrane pioneered by Polartec’s NeoShell. 03 at Backcountry Compare at 4 sellers: $123. All-Season Shell Jacket. For its weather resistance, the Interstellar uses Outdoor Research's 3-layer proprietary Ascentshell membrane inside a nylon exterior. Women's MicroGravity AscentShell Jacket. It’s heavy though and while the casual cut is great for off-bike versatility and the hood is great, the sleeves are short when on. Soft shell selection is tiny vs a decade ago, and no one is investing in evolving soft shell technology. Through its sub-micron membrane structure, Neoshell allows dynamic air exchange and a full range of motion while providing the strength and durability of a weather protective fabric. A handful of other top waterproof material brands to take note of include, OutDry Extreme, H2No, DryVent, AscentShell, Dry Q and Marmot. Weight: 13. Other than Westcomb we have seen little in terms of product options for hiking. It features O. FUTURELIGHT vs. 00. Hike, bike, explore the world, even if it's raining out. Out of all of these, I’d go OR Guardian 2. North Face Men’s Inlux Jacket Jump To Review. The first garments to use eVent BIO will hit the market in fall 2022 (eVent declined to name its partner brands). $229. What We Don’t: Price. Item #ODRZ8EC. Laminates are most common in waterproof / breathable garments. If you need a helmet compatible hood and only have $150, your best bet is to search steepandcheap, Sierra, mountainsteals, campsaver, mtnoutlet, etc for “goretex” “event” “neoshell” “futurelight” “ascentshell” and sort by discount/percent off, plan on buying a few and eating the return shipping on the ones that don’t fit right. The women’s Skyward II Pants also retail for $299 and feature the same overall construction including a 3-layer AscentShell build, identical pocket layout, and nicely sized side vents. Baker Storm Jacket and Bibs. eVent Fabric. NeoShell is made in a completely different manner to fabrics like eVent or Gore-Tex and from a polyurethane rather than PTFE. Backer: tricot. Three-layer membrane with winning stretch, weight, and breathability. HI Ben: I have never actually worn an Ascentshell jacket. 1. $101. Posts: 19. I need to contact them on a weekday to make sure this weight is accurate. It's decent but the cut is more casual and less athletic/backpacker. OutDry and Dry. If by different methodologies you mean inverted cup vs sweating hot plate etc, they are not relevant here. Sale Out Of Stock Men's Snowcrew Bibs. Fabrics include Polartec NeoShell, Outdoor Research AscentShell, and The North Face FutureLight. My experience with Goretex is the same as yours - sweat locker - but when you need a hard shell you need it. I believe only Polartec NeoShell and Outdoor Research AscentShell incorporate this technology. Tuesday June 27, 2023. It will be something like OutDry in this regard, but better. Neoshell is a bit more breathable and less windproof than eVent and DryQ Elite. 1. For a 10 day in Norway I'll be needing some good protection against rain. Besides this price advantage, the matrix of spun polyurethane fibers that make up the. Marmot Precip: often on sale for $65 os so. The Skytour AscentShell Bibs kept my son comfortable in a wide range of conditions. 0 NeoShell Mid is a lightweight, durable, and overall comfortable shoe. Q: Proprietary technologies owned by Mountain Hardware clothing company. Like NeoShell, AscentShell consists of millions of tiny polyurethane fibers. Quote. The Outdoor Research Skyward II does what every good shell needs to do: protect you from all types of weather while remaining light, ventilated, and comfortable. In terms of weight, the Trolveggen checks in at 14. Not warm. Guardian II jacket is another option. $279. Interstellar Bivy. Generally the air permeable ones are all a bit heavier. AscentShell is the same basic technology as Polartec Neoshell and North Face Futurelight. Best for the widest range of activity in the wettest forecasts, this is the lightest, most streamlined AscentShell™ rain jacket with reliable 3L waterproof protection, stretch, and supreme breathability. As is well known, Outdry is a proprietary material that provides waterproof, breathable performance without a DWR coating. , not knit or woven) materials that are designed to protect against water. Unlike air-permeable membranes, vapor-permeable membranes are non-porous, meaning that air cannot pass through them. 00. There are various HHs with these techs, from 15,000mm to 10,000mm (and probably lower now). But TNF keeps making bulky fits with too many. By my test, the breathability of the AscentShell will be nearly double that of PacLite. On the flip-side, i'm a little worried. Business, Economics, and Finance. For now, Ascentshell waterproofing technology is best for people who are going to be active while being exposed to snow or small amounts of rain. NeoShell or AscentShell. This item: Outdoor Research Alpine AscentShell Bivy – Waterproof Camping Gear . There are also fully impermeable options like silnylon ponchos which work through pure mechanical. All the air permeable electrospun polyurethane membranes are pretty similar (Neoshell, Ascentshell, Futurelight) and definitely are nicer with real activity than goretex. 16 models Outdoor Research Helium AscentShell Jacket - Men's As Low As (Save Up to 57%) $172. As these newer, truly breathable, or air permeable,. The Ascentshell fabric on the Outdoor Research Skytour men’s ski jacket moves well when doing backcountry things like digging a pit, using an ice axe, transitioning, and charging. Gore-Tex vs Paramo Nikwax; Header Cell - Column 0 Gore-Tex Paramo Nikwax; Price: $600/£500 for a jacket: £300/$400 for a jacket: Design: Endless choice, swishy fabric: Less variety, softer and quieter: Performance: Waterproof and durable: Waterproof and durable: Sustainability: Uses PFOAs, PFCs: No PFCs, completely. But based on reviews and your analysis it seems like it’s really not much different from Ascentshell and Neoshell in terms of vapor transmission and HH. Our Verdict. Sulphur Dawn Women's Helium AscentShell Jacket Regular price $336. Neoshell ® provides the strength and durability of a weather protective fabric, while still allowing. 00 (Save %) Unit price / per . (Which is it hard with a Gore tex hardshell). Advanced Breathable Waterproof Technology For Superior Alpine Performance. Best I can compare is either each material over a leg or Neoshell bottoms and Ascentshell top. The membrane is made of porous polypropylene, and it probably functions somewhat like a polyurethane (eg. Serious objectives require serious protection and comfort. But it differs from Gore-Tex, which. According to OR rep. 69. So I am very familiar with the functionality of AscentShell, and really like it. Thanks for sharing about DryQ, that is really interesting info!The Outdoor Research Motive Rain Jacket is an affordable three-layer waterproof/breathable rain jacket made with OR’s AscentShell membrane. 00. 7/5) See the Women's Arc'teryx Alpha FL See the Men's Arc'teryx Alpha FL. Nevertheless, the Realm would not be likely to fare well against abrasive mountain. A major trade off between the jackets will be Hydrostatic head (water resistance) vs breathability. Naval Blue Black Brick Slate/Black Men's Cirque Lite Pants. Posts. The CFM and HH numbers on Neoshell always seemed good (relatively speaking to the alternatives). Q (Stretch Ozonic, others), or eVent. Sizes: XS-XXXL. Trew Capow Jacket and Bib (Photo: Keri Bascetta) Trew collaborated with backcountry and mountaineering guides to put forth its best version of the Capow Jacket and Bib yet, incorporating a super-stretchy and breathable fabric on the torso with a burlier, abrasion-resistant shell on the shoulders and. There are goretex active jackets around €300. The breathable and rugged Alpine AscentShell Bivy is ideal for fast-and-light alpine pursuits or anytime you want to skip the weight and space of a tent. 00. Gear Junkie features the SuperStrand LT Hoodie. However, the women’s pants are. 0oz / 907g. Feeling good, feeling strong at the start of the FutureLight sweat test. The Skytour AscentShell™ Jacket is versatile, lightweight, and waterproof, perfect for backcountry touring, ski mountaineering, and other high-aerobic activities in cold weather. Hardshell vs. Gore-Tex is a membrane made of PTFE (Teflon). THE DIRT. Awards : Price: $164. Hello ! I have 2 Futurelight jacket (7 Summits Light jacket) & (Summit Series L5 Futurelight) and the feeling is impressive, the jacket is less noisy than Gore Tex infinium jackets, the jackets are more comfy and you can wear the futurelight with a tee shirt underneath and feel great. AscentShell (Outdoor Research proprietary technology)—This is an electrospun, air-permeable membrane that breathes faster than traditional membranes and features stretch in all versions. I stuffed it into a quart Ziploc bag for a silly kitchen trick— the. I am fully sold on Ascentshell over the other fabrics after a few months of comparing all three. Details. Best EveryDay Women's Jacket. Women's Motive AscentShell Jacket. If you're looking for a warmer jacket than the Gamma MX, this is not it. It will fend off nasty weather for all seasons of the year. I guided a 5-day ski-plane-accessed trip outside Haines, Alaska in the Outdoor Research Skytour AscentShell. I'd probably get an Interstellar or Montbell Versa lite, lighter, pit zips, maybe less weather resistance, less stretchy than Interstellar. Re: breathability, gore tex vs event, vs neoshell vs windsto. Yes, read your paper and understand there are different MVTR standards and that variables can be manipulated to get different results. Compared to a jacket like the 66 North Snaefell, which uses a Polartec NeoShell three-layer membrane, the difference is noticeable, but that jacket runs $375 more. eVent, Ascentshell, and the others you mentioned are just other brands of waterproof breathable laminate. The hoods on these jackets are typically adjustable as well. responds to a viewer request to test Gore-Tex Pro Shell vs. Arc'teryx uses some of Polartec's products like Power Dry on the Delta MX, Classic 100 on the Delta, Alpha on the Practioner AR, Power Stretch Pro on the Kyanite and Power Stretch with Hardface Technology on the Fortrez and Rivet. Some work through solid state diffusion, some work through pure permeability. Gore Tex Pro is the only waterproof Gore fabric that I've actually seen proof of air passing through the fabric. They contribute because I ask nicely. The Klättermusen Allgrön 2. Ascentshell (OR Skyward II) HH:16170, CFM:1. Brett Peugh. Based just on these numbers, the eVent might be the best choice. (For comparison, the also excellent Patagonia Pluma Gore-Tex Pro jacket (medium) is 414g. However, the tunability of FUTURELIGHT combined with excellent cut means this is arguably a step forward in the. For this update, we purchased and tested 10 of the best hardshell jackets. Frequently bought together. For some reason they eliminated the Interstellar and replaced it with the Motive Jacket. Gear Junkie features the Plus-Size Snowcrew Jacket and Pants. The new Specialized Prime Series Thermal Gloves use a low-bulk windproof Polartec Neoshell back and a grippy synthetic suede palm that combine to keep out the chill without sacrificing dexterity. Lighter than the Rab bivies and more heavy than the Ascentshell ones but you can fit a full air pad (maybe even a wide) and still not touch the walls . Among Gore-Tex competitors, eVent offers a noticeable bump in breathability and Polartec NeoShell and Outdoor Research’s AscentShell are also more air-permeable, but all lack the same level of. TNF future light, outdoor research ascentshell, polartec neoshell, pertex shield air, Rab ProFlex. Outdoor Research Foray II ($225) Category: Hiking/performance Weight: 11. Active Shell, eVENT & NeoShell. Some more prominent brands, such as The North Face, Patagonia, and Black Diamond, have started manufacturing in-house materials like North Face Futurelight, Patagonia’s. Tuesday June 27, 2023. I never had problems with getting wet through the jacket until after many years of use. TNF’s lifestyle apparel and accessories will still use Gore-Tex, though FutureLight will eventually trickle down. Different people prefer different technologies, but air-permeable membranes (like NeoShell, Outdoor Research’s AscentShell, and Pertex Shield Air) and the Gore-Tex family of fabrics are all good bets. Arc’teryx uses Goretex Pro which is more air permeable than Event but not as much as neoshell and a few others. The Micro is built for Alpine pursuits and also good for BC skiing, backpacking or climbing. The AscentShell membrane seems to “dampen” faster on the outside rather than stay beaded up. Sep 9, 2021 at 8:18 am #3727016. Sale Ends Nov 27 . 00. Expert: Chad Kelly, Director of Sales and Product Line for eVent fabrics. Take liquid. The AscentShell fabric is breathable enough not to need pit zips. Pit zips and long side zips or vents allow you to cool down quickly, no matter the membrane. The beading seems to continue forever. The Outdoor Research Interstellar Ascentshell breathability is, simply put, out of this world. We question the Interstellar’s ability to hold up to years of intense abuse as well as heavier, Gore-Tex-Pro-designed jackets, but so far it’s off to a promising start. Polartec NeoShell vs Gortex Active Shell. Other standouts include the Big Agnes Three Wire Bivy (which uses a membrane similar to Neoshell) and the OR stargazer (fairly small fit) and the OR Interstellar (very tight fit) which use Ascentshell (also similar to Neoshell). Outdoor Research’s AscentShell 3L technology does just. Overall, this is a comfortable, reliable, and ultra-packable jacket available in four colors and six sizes. 4 oz. The adjustable, helmet. Locale: Midwest. Similar to NeoShell and AscentShell. grump gnome:. Best Polartec NeoShell Jackets. Also launched in 2019, AscentShell is similar to NeoShell and Futurelight in that it is produced using electrospinning. This jacket needs to be paired with insulating mid-layers (like a top-rated insulated jacket) if any warmth is expected. I feel like a lot of their products are superior to Arc'teryx. Men's Motive AscentShell Jacket. Search Reddit posts and comments - see average sentiment, top terms, activity per day and moreThe Sugoi RSE NeoShell jacket is the first cycling jacket using this fabric, but it won’t be the last. Polartec Neoshell might beat them out, but the last jacket I tested with that fabric had the lining fall apart after about a year. Bean. September 8, 2022 by Michael Lanza. The Rab Stretch Neo offers climbers and hikers the best hardhsell for their dollar.